CCCC Monthly Meeting

[Murphs]

I know what you're saying Paul but I think it needs to be looked at the other way.

Discussing things over the forum gives members a chance to float the idea, discuss it with others, it allows time and opportunity for all the consequences of the idea to be considered.

I think that if an idea is posted on the forum and the consensus is that it's a bad one, it won't get passed at a meeting. A majority of the regular racing and participating members whom these decisions affect are either on the forum or have friends/training partners or whatever who are on the forum to tell them about 'what's hot on the forum'.

I understand what you're saying about consulting experienced members, but how do you suggest we go about that? As examples, Grant and yourself frequent the forum, I think one of your training partners has a rather 'spacely' alias (could be wrong, but it's always fun to guess) and I've only seen Ray on two or three coffee rides this summer (admittedly, I don't do them every week either).

Just to split hairs, Graded club champs was passed at the meeting before it was mentioned on the forum and IMHO it was not a good decision.

[groundskeeperwilly]

Totally agree the forum is a great place to float ideas, discuss them etc...just seems there have been a few occasions when they seem to be presented as rubber stamped, when clearly not club approved....The upshot being a frenzy of interest and an acceptance that the idea is a good one... not always the case.

As for consulting more experienced members....no idea unfortunately... 

I thought so too but was wrong about the sprocket... 

[rosko]

Paul...
 I always find it better to 'ask for fogiveness than to beg for permission', it's the only way I get anything!  Something to do with marriage I believe!

 Now...
 This kit.. Is there a design anywhere to be seen?

[Murphs]

Totally agree the forum is a great place to float ideas, discuss them etc...just seems there have been a few occasions when they seem to be presented as rubber stamped, when clearly not club approved....The upshot being a frenzy of interest and an acceptance that the idea is a good one... not always the case.

I agree, but if no one posts as to why it's a bad idea OR if no one turns up to a meeting to give their 2c, that's just what happens.

Now...
 This kit.. Is there a design anywhere to be seen?

I will try to get a copy scanned and i'll post it here if I have success.

[groundskeeperwilly]

After looking at your road bike...got any begging tips?

[rosko]

LOL... You must lie about the price!

Kit! If Champ Sys are designing/putting it together (as I've heard) they will have pdfs available to link.

[groundskeeperwilly]

I agree, but if no one posts as to why it's a bad idea OR if no one turns up to a meeting to give their 2c, that's just what happens.

Murphs, you're right & I think thats the guts of the matter....any non-positive forum input just gets seen as a pot-shot and the replying poster usually gets hammered by the masses as being elitist, non constructive etc.

[Murphs]

Any specific reference? 

[GrantF]

Grant,

Sorry but i think he does.
I think Jason understands that final decisions are made at monthly meetings and that if members can't be there due to other commitments, they should make there comments and ideas known to someone who will be there and can put their point across before final decisions are voted upon.
What i find is so many members have their say after the fact. They complain about decisions made in their chosen absence.
The strip is a great example. No doubt there will be members complain about the decisions made by those who voted on the night. There were about 15 members there and very few apologies. From memory not one person there had any input about the uniform from absent parties.
I'm not saying that Club Meetings are the be all and end all of ideas/opinions of relevant/important issues but it is where final decisions are made that impact on the whole club.
If members are concered about decisions, they should attempt to be at meetings or find someone going to put there point across, otherwise not complain after decisions are made.
Alot of people look up to your opinion as you have been there and done that. I think that is what Jason meant in his post.

Al
Not sure you actually read my original post? (http://www.impactcycling.com.au/index.php/topic,1773.msg19352.html#msg19352).
While it may be true that people take pot-shots at finalised decisions, that's not really what it was about...
The main point was that no-one seems willing/able to followup anything at a meeting even if it resonates with them - instead they say "why don't you go to the meeting" - well, sorry, but we can't all get there (even though we do care for the club and HAVE invested significant time in the past).
I was hoping that this post could lead to some real value-add around how to leverage involvement (possibly through publishing Club Meeting Agenda's pre-meeting & Minutes post-meeting for comment?) but that seems unlikely  
At least I think the point has been received about it being time to stop bagging people just because they don't make it to club meetings?
Glad at least a few people have finally deigned to reply instead of just giving my input the cold shoulder / focusing on irrelevent items and replying to those small parts - WTF is this anyway, a popularity contest??

[Pete Smits]

Not sure I agree big Al....seems to be a lot of decision are made on the forum without the input of others or the permission of the club e.g. CCCC Road pointscore, Graded club champs, race sponsorship and more spring to mind.....

Seems there is a culture of "better to ask forgiveness than to ask permission"...at least once support is drummed up on the forum, no one will object at the club meeting....or the folks with the experience are not present for any number of reasons...

I think using the forum as one of the main vehicles to debate and set club policy while not attempting to leverage the guys who have raced and run the club for the last 20+ years is nuts.

As for is this a racing club...the short answer is yes...membership includes a CA racing license.

Pretty certain that the club pointscore and sponsorship of the 2010 Club tour were discussed at last weeks meeting and were voted on and passed,unless you were referring to previous years ?

[PeZulu]

As for is this a racing club...the short answer is yes...membership includes a CA racing license.

Not necessarily (or have I got this wrong), you are not obliged to take out a CA racing licence when joining a CA affiliated club.

Ponder this cycling fans, this is what we promote:

Welcome to Central Coast Cycling Club
 
Thanks for visiting Central Coast Cycling Club.  We run Track, Road and Criterium racing catering to all grades and including Elite, Masters, Women and Juniors.

Whether you are out there doing your best and enjoying yourself, or aspiring to represent the club at Opens, World or National level events, racing has so much to offer riders of all ages and abilities, from the beginner to elite, competitive riders.  One of our core missions is to assist promising cyclists to realise their full potential and we continue to be represented at International, Australian and State levels.

Everyone has to start somewhere so if you are interested in joining the club please see our membership section and feel free to come along and see some racing and ask any questions.
 
Food for thought?

[Mick Hull]

PeZulu
All club licenses include an affiliation with CA within their fee.

Regards
Mick

[Murphs]

Unless you are a Non-Racing member, which is what I think Col was getting at?

[groundskeeperwilly]

Pretty certain that the club pointscore and sponsorship of the 2010 Club tour were discussed at last weeks meeting and were voted on and passed,unless you were referring to previous years ?

Pete, both these suggestions were announced prior to club approval.

Also, while the club caters for for non-racing licenses..it remains in essence a Racing Club.

Its also why some club members choose not to wear their club jersey on training/social rides....that jersey was always reserved for....racing.

[rosko]

Tell the truth Paul....
 Many didn't wear the jersey on social rides because they don't like it!