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« Reply #120 on: August 26, 2010, 09:42:25 PM »

Without wanting to sound like a grumpy old man, I'm sure the negative racing will fit in quite nicely with the negative comments.

On a positive note, there's nothing, quite like, a well placed, comma, followed by a good laping.

PS Mick, great report as always en veel goed.
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« Reply #121 on: August 27, 2010, 01:04:32 PM »

- Stoked to stay upright so was happy with 170km race km in the legs after 3 days of pain just to walk.
Isn't it great how positive/attacking the racing is over there!
Sure a big change from the mostly negative racing one sees here in nsw - hate to tell you, but it's gunna be a downer racing here again Sad
I agree Grant, which is why I think adopting some race formats could be good for the club, get riders thinking aggressively?
What do you think?

Just to clarify, I was not (necessarily) talking about club racing.
I think your "get riders thinking aggressively" is getting towards the point - it's not so much the course or type of race that gets things interesting as what the competitors do.
(generalization coming;)) Certainly current attitudes of various (usually "been here 5 minutes type") rider groups are interesting to say the least (eg. club C grade who seem fixated on doing 50km races at Calga - 25km is deemed too short to bother, yet fully participating in a 75km handicap is too much!)

I'm sure I could give some other (possibly interesting) feedback, but ultimately it's all useless if people aren't willing to give it decent go - seems there's already plenty of expert advice available.
I'm sure the negative racing will fit in quite nicely with the negative comments.
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« Reply #122 on: August 27, 2010, 01:13:05 PM »

I know you weren't only talking about club racing, but it's where everyone learns to race.

Probably not the right thread to discuss, we all know how precious 'csfive' is  Wink
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« Reply #123 on: August 27, 2010, 02:44:27 PM »

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Certainly current attitudes of various (usually "been here 5 minutes type") rider groups are interesting to say the least

Grant, I agree with you on this point & include myself in this. Does that give me, or any 5 minute type as you put it, any less of a say or discredit our opinion or suggestions because we are new to this club? It does appear to me that you have a axe to grind with the way this club is managed, an opinion formed by purely reading the  content of some of your posts. From my perspective, I have found some of the "5 minute types" plus some of the longer standing members contribution invaluable in the way things are managed, and some of the suggestions put forward for the future of this club.

Murphs you are right, this isn't the right forum, & apologies to you MC, but unfortunately the same has to be said about some of your content too Grant. Probably better for all of us to discuss some of this in a club meeting forum.
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« Reply #124 on: August 27, 2010, 09:52:09 PM »

Quick Mick, save us with another report.

Speaking as another 5 minuter I find them inspirational.  Its good to be able to name drop in business circles - somethink along the lines (very casually) "yeah I ride with this bloke who rides against the Rabobank guys in Europe" Wink
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« Reply #125 on: August 28, 2010, 03:40:09 AM »

Quick Mick, save us with another report.

Speaking as another 5 minuter I find them inspirational.  Its good to be able to name drop in business circles - somethink along the lines (very casually) "yeah I ride with this bloke who rides against the Rabobank guys in Europe" Wink

No reports here.

Crit was canned last night due to a 'dangerous corner'. 5 laps into the race there were 5 crashes on the pelotons first 5 attempts at the same corner. After that effort the jury decided they didn't want to see the sixth!

You should have seen this corner! Classic! 3 surface changes (cobbled bricks, hotmix, concrete), a pedestrian crossing, a speed bump and a median strip on the lead in. Cover that in water and the crowd were loving it!  Grin
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« Reply #126 on: August 29, 2010, 05:57:33 AM »

Today myself and the team headed to a 180km Dutch Classic in terrible conditions. It was more like a 180km CycloCross event.

Today i suffered the most I have ever suffered in my life. I was cramping with 20km to go.

Interesting course comprising of 5 x laps of a 25km ronde and 5 x laps of an 8km ronde. The remaining 15km was made up by going between the 2 Ronde. The 'Groot Ronde' or Large Round had 2 climbs each lap totalling 10 climbs each with points for the KOM prize. The Team Manager warned that the climbs will be hard but the 7km between the climbs will be the hardest. I have never heard such a spot one description. At the top of the first climb the road was exposed to all the elements including the famous cross wind. This was a very tough part of the lap and was single file (about 400mts front to back) each and every lap.



Weather: heavy, heavy rain. Starters: 32 teams of 6 riders. 192 in total. Distance: 180km. Time: 4hrs 30mins.

0-40km - you know what happens by now. 192 riders all wanting to get into 2mtr wide paths and corners that dont fit that many riders. Very nervous start in the heaviest rain i've seen here. Crashes like they were going out of fashion.

40-90km - rested in the areas I could and continued to fight for position. Felt great up the climbs, for me thats good. Dug deep on the exposed top section of the lap.

90km - made a tactical error and was too far back and found myself in an echelon that was slowly losing touch with the main peloton. I was having nothing of this and chased too hard for too long with 3 others and finally got back on.

100-125km - nothing changed this lap, tough climb and even tougher 7km after the climb.

125-140km - fairly tame transition between the 2 ronde.

The 'kleine ronde' or small round was a fully exposed lap with only 2km of it offering what could loosely be called cover from the cross winds.

140-160km - suffered, suffered and suffered again in the single file exposed ronde of fun! About half of the 100+ DNF riders were shelled in this 20km period of pain.

160km - started cramping in my hamstrings. All I could hear was Kirrily's voice in back of my head saying "Its only your brain telling you that you have overused your muscles. You can push through the pain without doing damage" I WAS NOT pulling out of or getting shelled from this race. It was my last Classic here so will stop at nothing.

175km - after 4hrs20mins and 175km of suffering I was caught up in a crash AGAIN. 6 guys coming down and splitting the peloton. I was AGAIN very lucky. Locking up in the wet and hitting a guy shoulder to shoulder at 40km/h shooting me into another guy on the other side. This 2nd rider saved me from hitting the deck because I unclipped just in time and landed on him. All I ended up with was a bruise on the right arm and graze on left leg.

180km - Anyway, after putting my rear wheel back in straight (and thanking my lucky stars) I set chase with other effected riders and were stoked to finish but did have a time gap to the winner. (about 50sec I think, I will have to look it up)

Happy to not be one of the 100+ DNF again even if I was a time gap down.

Last Classic of my stint and they saved the best to last. When I say best I am talking about crashes. I saw some very interesting ones today but none as good as the dude who hit a muddy ditch on the side of the road then did a full forward flip into a barbed-wire fence. (He was fine and saw the funny side once he checked all his limbs)

Have a Criterium tomorrow afternoon but will make that decision when it gets closer. Just started to hail so that may effect my decision.  Grin






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« Reply #127 on: August 29, 2010, 09:36:07 AM »

Nice report TC, well done.  Sounded like a great race.
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« Reply #128 on: August 30, 2010, 03:37:46 AM »

One of my team mates on the left. This shows how long the peloton can get (and it wasn't even in single file yet)

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« Reply #129 on: August 30, 2010, 03:39:51 AM »

Me with my new ass ive been working on for 3 months.  Grin

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« Reply #130 on: August 30, 2010, 04:51:33 AM »

Well Dames en Heren, that is it. The fastest 3 months of my life. Was given the option to race today but it had been been raining heavily all day and the final straw was a storm that hit just before the start leaving surface water everywhere and did not want to risk my 100% no-crash record over here on my last day. If I was in my 'early' 20's I probably would have started but now I am officially in my 'late' 20's I had visions of flying home with broken limbs.

Few stats of my stint:

Km ridden: 7000km
Flat Tyres: Only 1  Shocked
Races started: 40
Races finished: 36
Races won: 8
Podiums: 10
Crashes: 0  Cool Whoo Hoo.

I came to Holland for multiple reasons and am pleased to say it was well worth it:

1. Experience racing outside of my comfort zone so I will never say "what if" ......check
2. See some European countries.........check
3. challenge myself in situations where I was nowhere near the ability of others.......check
4. feel a new level of pain............double check
5. so i can tell my grandchildren that I raced in Europe  Grin ............check

I have learnt more in my time in Holland than I have in the 5 years I have been racing.

I would like to thank those who helped it happen:
Joe Lewis from Newcastle - did a stint here with Team Wilton under 19 Squad few years ago.
Paul Craft - unrivalled inside knowledge of what to expect, how to approach different situations etc.
Wim Sluis - Owner of Wilton Meats and Head of Wilton-AA Drinks Cycling Team
U.W&T.C de Volharding - the club that I was affiliated with. Payed for all entries, kit, travel to/from races etc.
And most importantly my wonderful WAG Kirrily. What a girl hey? Moving to the other side of the world so her crazy husband can ride his push bike.

Thanks for all the support and your messages, I'll see you at the track and the Crits in October. I will be the fat slow guy because I am packing my bike into its box and heading home the long way via Europe, UK, Africa & Asia. 5 weeks of no riding. It shouldn't take me that long to get fitness back and am looking forward to some sedate racing with my mates.
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« Reply #131 on: August 30, 2010, 05:38:28 AM »

Found this. A snap shot of my 12 National Level Races. Other 28 races were made up of Club Criteriums and District level Criteriums.

http://www.wielerland.nl/index.php?option=com_database&c=r&sc=1&id=44968&Itemid=13


And how I ended up in the various point series for each of the days races. Keep in mind that there are still few weeks left in the series so I will not finish in these places but should finish top 10 still. I have organised a team mate to collect my Euro as they pay top 10 for each day!  Wink

http://velovrienden.nl/images/stories/downloads/Totaaloverzicht%20standen%20ZC%20NEB%202010%20Velosite%20.pdf

Enough confirmation of why they call me TC! See you in October.  Smiley
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« Reply #132 on: August 30, 2010, 08:02:50 AM »

Thoroughly enjoyed following your exploits in the saddle, all that racing experience with zero falls and 1 puncture is remarkable.

This thread and reports should be testament to anyone with a bike, strong ticker and talent to head off for an experience of a lifetime.

Once again “WELL DONE, TOSSER” and of course Kirrily  Smiley
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« Reply #133 on: August 30, 2010, 08:10:42 AM »

Best 3 months of race reporting ever & fantastic results Mick.

Enjoyed reading the Wielerland link too.
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« Reply #134 on: September 04, 2010, 11:25:02 PM »

So it said so it is written and so it shall be done.
Mick was ere 2010.
We tips our lid to you Mick.
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